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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:37 pmLink?
Are you for real?

I am done supplying links for you. I have. Numerous times.

All you have done is either hid or moved the goal posts.

Game over.
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:18 pm If the FBI agreed with you I would pay attention to them. No cops were charged with hate crimes over the Floyd. You were wrong. Why can't you live with that? I am not wrong. You are.
The argument is based on whether hate crimes are part of the civil rights laws. Imagine that. You were wrong.

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Tourniquet wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:23 pm Are you for real?

I am done supplying links for you. I have. Numerous times.

All you have done is either hid or moved the goal posts.

Game over.





Fine. I don't need your game.
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Vercingetorix wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:25 pm The argument is based on whether hate crimes are part of the civil rights laws. Imagine that. You were wrong.

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You said civil rights violations and hate crimes are the same thing.
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 4:01 pm You said civil rights violations and hate crimes are the same thing.
They are, several statutes under the same chapter.
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Vercingetorix wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 5:21 pm They are, several statutes under the same chapter.





So what? You said they were the same and they aren't. You posted other nonsense about hate crimes that wasn't true also. DUI and failing to use a turn signal are both part of the vehicle code. Does that make them the same?
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 5:25 pm So what? You said they were the same and they aren't. You posted other nonsense about hate crimes that wasn't true also. DUI and failing to use a turn signal are both part of the vehicle code. Does that make them the same?
Not the same code...the same fucking chapter.

Dude you fucked up...take it like the bitch you are
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Vercingetorix wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 5:26 pm Not the same code...the same fucking chapter.

Dude you fucked up...take it like the bitch you are





Here's what you started out with: "Bullshit. We have hate crime laws today based on the expectation that people must temper their opinions to a code of behavior set by thr feelings of others.."

Me: For a hate crime prosecution there must be more than an opinion.

You: Not really.

You: The opinion is deciding if it is a crime. He said something bad to a black dude. A DA decides whether that was intended to be hateful...it is moronic.

Since then you have said one stupid thing after the next. I don't care if it was the same chapter. They are different laws and you said they were the same. You are wrong. Face it.
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 4:01 pm You said civil rights violations and hate crimes are the same thing.
Federal hate crimes laws fall under Title 18, USC §249

Federal civil rights laws fall under Title 18, USC §242, 245, etc.
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Charlie Mike wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 5:44 pm Federal hate crimes laws fall under Title 18, USC §249

Federal civil rights laws fall under Title 18, USC §242, 245, etc.





Yep. They different numbers because they are different laws.
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 8:38 pm They different numbers because they are different laws.
No one claimed otherwise.
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Charlie Mike wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 8:48 pm No one claimed otherwise.






"Violation of civil rights is legalese for hate crimes." Vercingetorix
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 9:00 pm "Violation of civil rights is legalese for hate crimes." Vercingetorix
You have a similar semantic error.

They different numbers because they are different laws.
Those numbers are sections. Note how civil rights laws are covered in numerous sections but are still the same body of civil rights law.

And seeing as §249 is right there with 242, 245, 247, and 248, it becomes a distinction without a difference.

I will admit - without opinion - that §249 hate crime law is more recent than the larger body of civil rights laws it is joined to.
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Charlie Mike wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 9:07 pm You have a similar semantic error.




Those numbers are sections. Note how civil rights laws are covered in numerous sections but are still the same body of civil rights law.

And seeing as §249 is right there with 242, 245, 247, and 248, it becomes a distinction without a difference.

I will admit - without opinion - that §249 hate crime law is more recent than the larger body of civil rights laws it is joined to.








They have different elements. They are different laws. Vercingetorix tried to claim that cops involve the George Floyd events were charged with hate crimes. They weren't. They were charged with civil rights violations. Then Vercingetorix tried to claim they are the same things. They aren't. This came after Vercingetorix made other falsehoods about hate crime laws. He went on for a good while about hate crime laws not knowing what he was talking about. Every time he was just wrong again and dug himself in deeper.

He spends lot of time with me always trying to prove he is smarter. He isn't.

What is a Hate Crime
A hate crime is the intentional hurting or intimidating of someone because of his perceived characteristics that place him in a particular social group. The characteristics of protected groups of people include:

Criminal Civil Rights Violation Law and Legal Definition

A criminal civil rights violation refers to an offense that occurs as a result of the use of force or the threat of force by the offender against a victim. For instance an assault committed because of the victim's race or sexual orientation.

The offender to a criminal civil right violation can be prosecuted under various federal criminal civil rights statutes, such as those laws that prohibit hate crimes, bias crimes, and human trafficking.

A criminal civil rights violation can occur with:

a. hate crimes;

b. migrant worker exploitation;

c. law enforcement misconduct;

d. religious interference or property damage;

e. health care access interference, such as phone threat or bombing; and

f. slavery rings
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trevor wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 5:40 pm Here's what you started out with: "Bullshit. We have hate crime laws today based on the expectation that people must temper their opinions to a code of behavior set by thr feelings of others.."

Me: For a hate crime prosecution there must be more than an opinion.

You: Not really.

You: The opinion is deciding if it is a crime. He said something bad to a black dude. A DA decides whether that was intended to be hateful...it is moronic.

Since then you have said one stupid thing after the next. I don't care if it was the same chapter. They are different laws and you said they were the same. You are wrong. Face it.
It is ok. I expected this flailing argument. :roll:
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